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Niles H.
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Originally Posted by benashley
Stoves to me seem like there hit and miss... a lot of people say you cant go without them, & then others will tell you they thought that then it became more of a dead weight than a useful item. Can anyone share some light as to what they've found from their experience?

Also feel free to add anything you cant tour without! Even those little luxuries we could probably live without...
Stoves: I'm still experimenting. Alcohol stoves have been a disappointment. Like Neil at CGOAB, I have found them to be too slow or too low in output, and too lacking in flame control, among other things.

Canister stoves are almost perfect in a number of ways. But I don't like the extra cost of the cartridges (not because of an inability to afford them -- more because I would prefer to conserve and retain or spend the money for other purposes). And depending on suppliers can be problematic, depending on where you tour. As far as performance itself goes (except in very cold weather), they are my absolute favorites. Clean, no priming, instant on and off, great flame control, high heat output, etc. -- great in those and other ways.

My number one choice is usually (depending on the nature of the trip and on what I am into at the time) liquid fuel stoves. Gasoline is by far the least expensive fuel. (Apart from wood, which I've also tried quite a bit, and still use at times in some situations. It has issues of its own, though.) I've used a variety of the liquid-fuel stoves, am currently making my own ultralight version using a titanium Vargo Triad as the burner/stand and an ultralight pumpless tank (it may end up being the lightest gasoline stove ever), and am also wanting to try the Primus Gravity II, which has caught my interest for some time. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on one. There are websites for 'spirit burner' fanatics and collectors. I haven't spent much time on them (yet), and am not an addicted or full-on collector, but I do have quite a collection going at this point. (If/when the lightest spirit burner ever seen is up and going, I'll post pics.)

The fuel is also energy dense (much more so than the alcohols) and very widely available, even in remote areas and third-world villages. The same is not true of most of the other fuels.

These are my stoves of choice.

That said, I admire the stoveless option, and have experimented with it as well.

It is, in some ways at least, and perhaps overall, the most enlightened, logical, and advanced approach. It has a lot going for it.

The challenge, for many, is finding sufficiently satisfying and nutritious foods. It can be done, but for many people it is a challenge. -- Not so much 'finding' the foods in the sense of locating them -- they aren't that scarce -- but more like finding or discovering or developing dishes and meals and entire diets that are made up of these foods alone, and are still sufficiently satisfying.

Mueslis are among the best I've found. Breads, sandwiches, chips (made with healthful ingredients), salsas, dips, crackers, toppings, peanut butters (some are way better than others), spreads, jams, honey, fresh vegetables and fruits (some people base their diets on fruit -- they get literally thousands of calories a day from fruit). GORPs and trail mixes (many recipes can be found online), dates and other dried fruits, almonds and other nuts, yogurts, cottages cheese, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, cereals, various types of jerkies and leathers, juices, and so on -- there is a lot to choose from. It's just a matter of changing some habits and being happy with the new choices.

Mueslis are underappreciated in the US, and underdeveloped. They can be great, though.

Quick oats (or rolled oats) soaked along with raisins or currants (which plump up when soaked), dates, and perhaps some nuts, in fruit juice (or other liquid of choice) then topped with mashed or pureed bananas, sprinkled with brown sugar and maybe a little toasted coconut, plus a little milk (or soy milk), with nutmeg and cinnamon mixed in before soaking... -- if done right, this can be really, really good and satisfying. No cooking required, and the main ingredients are widely available.

It has been my favorite staple and main calorie source on some tours.
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