BTW, let me say that the weight aspect of the Long Haul Trucker and Cross Check is often misunderstood. The frames weigh around 5 pounds. The lightest frames you'd want to commute on weigh 3 pounds. So your total weight with a similar build might jump from 20 pounds to 22. The thing is, most people wouldn't build one of these bikes the way they'd build a 20-pound bike. They use more bombproof components and add things like racks and fenders and so the end product ends up weighing closer to 30 pounds.