Wow, guys, some great comments here. Well since I have started this thread things have changed some, it looks like I may have the money to go buy a new road bike and either keep the 8.3 are sell it. I have 5 friends that are big into the road bikes, they get together and do some serious riding. I want to get into that. Some have Specialized Tarmacs and a couple have Trek 1.5's. The 8.3 is a awesome bike but I can't hang with them on it. Plus I think a road bike would be better for my commuting back and forth to work.