Originally Posted by leunkstar
I bought a frame a couple of months ago. This is the story:
The former owner said he had it sandgrinded (dont know the word) and repainted with Colnago decals altough it was a Cornelo. Cornelo is an Italian frame builder and the frames are imported in Holland by a ...snip... The clover leafs appear on only a few lugs. Further more the front fork doesnt have clover leafs and the crone (?) of it, the top, has a special form (check the photos). The pat (or dropout) says: "Gipimmi" or something like that. There are no further marks on it, not even in the BB.
Also check the rear brake cable is on top of the top tube.
I bought just the frame and in repainted state so we have to identify based on geometry and details.
Pictures & info here:
http://www.leunk.com/index.php?optio...d=20&Itemid=38
It's dutch but jargon is international
Hope you can help.
This was not built to be ID'd as a Colnago.
That aside, there's nothing to say that this isn't the of best quality or not a fine ridin bike. But it isn;t a Colnago. One can't really refer to geometry much here, but there are many other points not consistent with the general constructs of Colnagos. 1st the ID'd 'clover' is NOT the Colnago clover - just compare with others or look at the a Colnago decal for the 'shape'. Colnagos have only the Head to downtube lug cutout with a clover. Late 70's and newer, ALL Colnagos had cutout BBs. No Colnago I've seen that has cable guides, has had more than 2.
Colnagos had what were called double taper seatstays (even though the stay sems mostly a straightish taper) ending in a 'scallop' finish at the seat lug, never a wraparound, nor a single taper to heavier seatstay attachment. Dropouts were almost always Campy and some later bikes had dropouts ID's as "Colnago', but those would have been made for them.
In accurate though it may be, the frame geometry seems to be 'square' and 73/73. Colnagos generally had steeper head angles, usually 74, and in the larger sizes as this one is, slacker seattube angle , 72.5. Consequently the top tubes always had a perception of being a little 'long' even though measurements would show they are quite in the midrange of top tube lengths.
Not familiar with Colner or Cornelo, so this might be either.