Originally Posted by
cny-bikeman
..or some do the reverse and if the "right" saddle height does not match their effective ankle rotation they move the saddle to accomodate the difference.... .
Absolutely, and you're a classic example of why formulas don't wok except for finding a starting place. Whether you adjust the saddle to accommodate your ankle angle, or adjust the ankle angle to adapt to the saddle height is chicken and egg. I suspect a bit of both happens,which might explain how a good rider can jump on a borrowed bike, that's only a rough match to their own and still ride about as well as if no change were made.