People are conflating two distinctly different events - organized, multiple day rides with hundreds to thousands of participants, corralled like chattel into school gymnasiums and parks, and the intimate, small group organized tours of a dozen people or so, rolling to common destinations each night, with some flexibility and autonomy vs. some version of RAGBRAI.

I think small organized tours like those by Adventure cycling to be quite high priced for what's offered. over a hundred bucks a day for self contained camping seems heinously expensive, to someone who's done a lot of self contained camping. Self contained tours by that company are different from van supported tours. Suprisingly, the prices for van support seem very close to self supported, although i didn't crunch the numbers too closely.