Will chime in another on SRAM Force... it is what made me make the decision to not pick up a new Raleigh Revenio 3.0 as Ultregra was the only option; liked the bike otherwise, but unfortunately 'custom' was not an option at this particular LBS. Picked up a very low mileage 2012 Madone 6 series cheaper anyway, full force. I am considering upgrading my FD to the new Red with YAW... getting the Force FD dialed in has been tricky.