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Old 06-05-13 | 10:12 AM
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my $.02

Originally Posted by jowilson
I think the helmet thing should be thought over a bit more... Because saying that helmets don't help with protecting the head from trauma is bullsh*t.

But I think what the author was trying to propose is that roads should be safe for EVERYONE. Cyclists and motorists alike.
I think I would rather have a helmet on than not. a little protection doesn't seem like such a bad idea. I am not sure why people are SOO against them.

I thought this was well written and wanted to add my thoughts to it as well.

Originally Posted by calyth
Lets bring this back to the 5 point the article makes:
  1. Stop selling fear.
    Agreed on principle, do not agree on the helmet stuff. I've done an endo as a kid and blacked out before. I'd like some kind of protection, even if it doesn't work at 50km/h or protect against concussions.
    but sometimes it is dangerous out there. Maybe not in his 8,000 people community but in larger cities it is much more dangerous and lights/ bright hi vis helps people see me on the bike.
  2. Start riding like adults.
    The complain by motorists (including myself when I do drive) is that cyclists are unpredictable. With drivers, because they're following some kind of rules, they're more predictable. Some of the stuff he listed is just basically a no-no (left turn from right hand side). Some, I think if all the cyclist act the same way, would make it easier for the motorists.
    I agree I wish bike riders rode responsibly and car drivers drove responsibly. Being predictable and signaling intention early and often helps for CARs and BIkes.
  3. Save the spandex for when you need it.
    I like my junk, and I don't care about style, so I wear the bike shorts. If I feel conspicuous wearing bike shorts, then I wear it underneath a pair of real shorts. Commuting is mostly not fast enough for the tight clothing to matter, but I don't like pain in tender regions. I think it is unfair to blame all cyclist for the attire - That's like blaiming firefighters wearing protective clothing. They don't when they do need to. What we should be letting people understand that they can wear normal clothes, with some awareness that they should keep clothing out of the chains for safety and fashion reasons. We can recommend padded stuff to wear underneath if they are not comfortable with the styling. When people are pounding out 40-50km/h (and I see those people around here, cause they're faster than I and double back on the distances that I do), I won't blame them for wearing tight bike shorts.
    It is so humid that I can not imagine riding in my work clothes. I like riding in the lycra as i commute, ride, or mountain bike. It is cooler and I appreciate the compression for longer rides. Let people wear what they want I don't think it hurts cycling one way or the other. If more people were on bikes I think that would help more than the clothes they are wearing. I am not sure why this argued so much on the forum
  4. Be nice to others.
    A lot of that is compromise on both sides. Stay out of sidewalks as much as we can, give people lots of heads up on multi-use paths. The slowest cyclist will have to pass pedestrians, saying hello or not is irrelevent. What is relevent is to give the pedestrian a heads up long enough so that they don't jump around. Also, know where you should pass. I'll be the first to admit I've made mistakes (including yesterday) where I've passed at places where I shouldn't, surprised by incoming traffic, and have to choose on braking hard or sprinting out of the way. Neither way is ideal, and I wasn't as nice as I should be. It's ok to try and put the pedal to the metal, as long as it's clear of hazards, and people are aware of what you're doing to do ahead of time.
    i wave at kids as they are playing in their yards as i ride through neighborhoods. I say hi to people who are outside in their yard. I think it surprises them. I am surprised at the number of bike riders who do not say hi or talk to each other as they are out riding. I remember riding home last week and I passed a guy on a road bike going the other direction and we both waved. It was cool. I was riding my cyclocross commuter with panniers and he on a nice road bike.
  5. Tell industry leaders to embrace the reality of a mature, cycling rich culture.
    I really don't agree with the author on this one. He deems that anyone who wants to cycle for sport as immature, and people who cycle in normal attires as adult. I'll be polite and call that shortsighted - cycling is not a transistor, there's no on/off, or right/wrong on this. I have friends that do it for leisure first, fitness second, and avoids road riding by getting on the sidewalk. I tend to see cycling as fitness and commute on equal footing, and head to the road before I ride on a busy sidewalk. Aside from the fact that I want to get him off the riding on the sidewalk part, I think it's perfectly find that we see cycling differently.

    I have friends that bombs down a mountain, and outclimbs me on a commuter, and he wear lycra shorts on commuter rides. Is he immature too?

    I push myself on a bike not because I'm immature, but because I would be working out hard enough to force myself to focus, and to learn discipline (like commuting instead of taking the bus), and to save a couple of bucks where I can. I don't pretend that this is the vision that other have, so let's find one that work for them. It doesn't have to mean that I should diminish my own views and desires on cycling, or to force my own way onto others.

    Just because we prefer speed and distance, doesn't mean we can't guide others to find their own cycling nirvana. It's like watching my friend outclimb me on a urban ride - even though he would much prefer getting caked in mud, he was there to help me find my own place in cycling.

i think that the article was off on this point as well. I enjoy mountain biking, commuting and even road riding. I am finding that I really like commuting more because it gives a purpose to my riding over a plain road ride. i think that the industry is coming out with more and more commuter specific bikes and that helps with getting more people on a bike to and from work.
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