Yes laziness it too blame. I figured the conversation had been going on long enough in the last couple pages that the thread was follow-able without quoting.

It just irks me when people talk about how great C&V bikes are and allude that they are not giving up any performance or may even perform better. The reality is that is just not true. And the recent trend back to steel hardtails and even rigid is cool, but no body wants to seriously ride a full rigid mtb for the same type of riding as todays full suspension bikes are designed for. Looking at something like that trek fisher, who is going to do more than ride that on a rail trail is the point. Those guys were bombing mt Tam as hard as they could on cruisers, but they pushed the limits of technology and developed the mountain bike so they could have more fun and ride faster on more complex terrain.