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Old 07-01-13 | 03:11 PM
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PlanoFuji
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Originally Posted by JohnJ80
My professional life is senior managment. In my personal time, I'm a first responder and I've been doing that for a long time. Training and temperament are not mutually exclusive and never were. The ability to accept the responsibility to make important decisions is part of both. The first responders on my team are mostly professional people, FWIW. I am given to understand that you know little about either with a statement like this.
First, there is a tremendous difference between 'senior management' and your prior statement that you 'own and operate' an international tech company. Business owners spend far more time with their business than would allow for any kind of training/volunteer comitment that a 'first responder' would entail... My social circle consists of a mix of small and medium size business owners as well as senior management at larger firms. I own my own consulting firm. NONE of us have the time to receive the training or provide the service for 1st response... Most barely have the time to spend with their family one day a week. So sorry, your two claims don't seem plausible, particularly with your new claim that you are only 'senior management' down from owner/operator...

Originally Posted by JohnJ80
I don't care if it's a RoadID or something else that provides similar functionality. Just understand you may be sitting somewhere without treatment and/or your family or loved ones may have a hard time locating you. But, if you want to put them through that, I guess that's your call. Me? I'd like them to know just like I'd want to know if they were hurt.
If you don't care, why are we arguing? There are a number of alternatives, many free, that provide all of the functionality that 'Road ID' does. BTW, as a 'First responder' do you have internet access on site to actually look up the web page pointed to by the interactive Road ID... The only one that provides the additional information you think is so important.

Originally Posted by JohnJ80
Yes, they should but most often they don't. I suppose that's human nature but it is what it is in my experience. And an epipen doesn't solve problems like diabetes, history of heart problems, previous injuries, drug allergies, etc... all of which are germane to your treatment.
So you agree that many of the folks who could actually benefit from 1st responders knowing about their allergies don't bother using one of the other more socially common solutions to that problem (and also much longer record of availability), and yet you think that a garish sports gimmick is more likely to be used? Interesting

Originally Posted by JohnJ80
Now this is just plain stupid. I don't know what else to say. Pushing an argument to the ridiculous is, well, ridiculous. We have a whole box of broken phones from episodes far less traumatic than a bike crash.
Well I find your claim that a phone is likely to 'disappear' during a crash equally fallacious. If the accident is that severe so as to be likely, then the road id is equally likely to be useless. A emergency contact in a wallet is at least likely to be readable since the wallet will provide a degree of protection, even from fire...

Originally Posted by JohnJ80
I guess if you think the bands that show support for cancer patients, breast cancer awareness, solidarity for injured patients are inappropriate for professional environments, then you'd be right. That said, pretty much any meeting I'm in, and that includes a lot of senior management, there is someone wearing one. My RoadID tag is on the one that I wear. Is that inappropriate? If so, then that's an odd notion of what is appropriate.
Yes, those plastic bands are inappropriate in a professional environment. Professionals will typical use the 'jewelry' versions; pins, broaches, tie-tacks, etc.. Hence why medialerts are all I have seen in a professional environment. The only ROAD ID product that would work in such an environment. is the dog tag version...

Originally Posted by JohnJ80
You know, this passive aggressive statement alone is pretty tasteless but you are consistent - I'll give you that.
Sorry if you misinterpreted. It simply seems to me that your arguments are emotionally based, and with your mention of your sons accident that makes more sense.

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