Hey skepticism is healthy, and I appreciate both your candor and your tact, but I am positive of my results. No, I quote weights as done in a catalog, no pedals, cages, computers or mounts. I call it showroom weight. I understand if you include more in your weight, I just feel my method is the lowest common denominator, the equipment that every rider will have the same for a given bicycle model. Yes, every rider will have pedals, but not necessarily the same ones. What good is knowing how much a bike weighs equipped for someone else? What is important is how much it would weigh if I (or you) were riding it. Best way to get there is to know the showroom weight and the weight of your standard add-on stuff, the pedals, cages, bottles, computer, mounts, etc., that you carry. Then the sum is the real weight of the bike. So it is best to know the weight of your add-ons so you can add it to standard showroom weights.

All that aside, I agree with your frame weight assessment on the Falcon at 1,375g. Fork is the Ritchey PRO at a respectable 350g as cut. My wheels are self-built clinchers based on Kinlin XR200 rims and BHS lightest hubs and come in at about 1,270 for the pair.

GP4000 tires and Performance Lunar Light 52g tubes (now in short supply). Cockpit is very light, 150g post, FSA OS98 stem and Kestrel PRO SL bar. Saddle is moderate, the Terry Falcon Y at 227g.

Most important is the comparison between the two bikes, both weighed by me the same way. And by the way, my Giant frame is a disappointing 1,207g. I was expecting about 900 based on reviews, and was really bummed when I saw the true weight. But with my parts choices (and method of weighing) I was able to get the 13.9 lb total.

Sorry I can't post photos on a scale right now. I am on vacation for quite a while.

By the way, are you sure of your Willier's weight? I mean did you verify it. As I said, my Giant was very disappointing!