The original seat hurt, plain and simple. The horn causes pressure on my tail bone which is damaged. We tried just about every horned saddle in 5 of the 6 bike stores and were going to give up on even getting a bike at all for me when one young man told us about the hornless variety. That solved the pressure problem.

Hmm. Let me try again to explain the position problem, and it is identical with both the horned and hornless saddles.

First, the saddle is as far back as it will go right now. When the pedals are horizontal to the ground, my knee extends past the spindle in the pedal by 2-3 inches. My husband checked with a plum line.

Second, I am only just able to touch the ground with the balls of 1 foot when sitting in the saddle. I can not touch both at the same time easily.

Lowering the seat so both feet touch the ground simultaneously on the balls of my feet increases the amount my knee extends beyond the spindle and increasing my need to sit further back on the seat. Raising the seat means I can't reach the ground at all. I realize some people can ride that way, but I can not.

Tilting the seat down in the front while increasing the saddle height corrects the leg placement and I no longer feel like my legs are cramped and need to sit back further, which is where it is now -- instead I'm now consistently slipping forward and causing pain in my arthritic hands and wrists.

Tilting the seat down in the back and lowering the seat increases the cramped leg feeling and I slip backwards off the seat and again over compensate with holding the handle bars -- again making arthritic hands hurt.

Leveling the seat, setting to the height where I can just touch the balls of my feet to the groung keeps me in the saddle, eases up on my hands but I'm too close to the pedals.