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Old 07-22-13 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by old's'cool
Aaron, I think you over-understate the case a bit. From the perspective of durability, longevity, and ease of care, titanium or stainless win over steel hands down; and make a better showing than aluminum, if we want to make that part of the comparison. If you don't care about esthetics (i.e. maintaining a showroom appearance), the frame itself in these materials [i.e. Ti and SS] is zero maintenance under any normal use, and as has been pointed out, allows a carefree attitude and peace of mind in everyday use. I think this thread has convinced me; if I ever start to lust for a N+1st bike, it will probably be titanium or stainless.

tjspiel, I'm not an economist, but just to address your very narrow point about a used titanium bike [I'm not wading into the larger issue]; it seems to me that by purchasing a used Ti bike and removing it from the market, the remaining demand for Ti bikes, new and used, will tend to promote the manufacture of another new Ti bike. This is just an economic point; I do not have enough knowledge about the issue to have an opinion on the relative cradle to grave environmental impact of titanium vs alternative materials.
FWIW of the two people I actually know of with a titanium frame, one had his crack around a water bottle boss. It was replaced under warranty but I think it illustrates the fact that Ti frames aren't immune to failure.

You may have a point that buying used Ti frames might just create more of a market for new ones. I'm not really sure. If somebody wants a new Ti bike but can't sell their old one, does that mean they'll pass on a new one?

Personally it's not a huge concern for me but I suppose it does depend on the magnitude of the extra energy involved vs how long the frame might last. If it takes twice as much energy to create a Ti frame but on average they're kept twice as long, does that cancel out?
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