Thanks JimF, that is interesting. I heard they improved the glove-operation with the next generation, I might have to go look at it.

Arundel side-loader - worth checking out.

I'm stalled out in my decision making process, I think it's so expensive and there are so many barriers to a good clean install that I might just re-cable the current mechanical group and see if I can live with it for few years, and then get an internally routed frame. Haven't decided 100% yet though.