Actually I said elitism is tiresome. I also said in any form. Which would include a fairly wide swath of circumstances. Including the angle I was actually referring to which for the record is the whole 'we're cyclists we're better than golfer thing (or insert sport)' which ceaselessly goes on. This is one of just a myriad of stupid things people can do with their time. We may like it, but even the best of us suck at it.

You've also been poking at me (seemingly personally) for a long time with your 33 comments, so really you're due for some back from time to time. As Shovel pointed out the 33 by and large is a helpful and encouraging place. You may not find it to be so, but that simply doesn't make it not be the case. Again, to wit, you find Ex helpful. He's prolific. Whether you like me or hate me I do spend a great deal of time trying to help folks out there as does Shovel. If you honestly believe the clickiness in this forum is any better (or any other forum) I promise you you're mistaken.