Nyack is a much better training ride than PP, especially if you take river road. If you really are into fitness, I'd suggest giving Nyack or one of the other weekend rides a chance.

Do we socialize and stop to get muffins? YES
Do we get a great workout out of it? YES
Are we in much better shape because of it? YES

A lot of people ride to Nyack, mostly roadies, but they all do it for the many things it has to offer. We aren't saying no to 15laps in PP because we rather have fun than ride, which should go hand in hand. We are just saying that we can get a better workout AND enjoy ourselves when we do one of these weekend rides. During the week PP is fine, but still not for 15laps of it.

evanyc, sorry whoever stared you down last week were a$$es, but everyone that races are friendly, whether you race or not(me) so you should come out and at least meet some of the guys. same goes for eat raw and whoever haven't made it out yet.