Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
The silicone was a leftover from my bathroom and kitchen chaulking. They are available at home depot. The cost was already sunk.
Mail order from Asian suppliers do not charge shipping or tax. A single cree xr-e red from dealextreme.com is $3.30 with shipping, everything is included .
If you can't find a local electronic hobby shop and have to buy everything from digikey, yeah it adds up.
Once again, from dx, or fasttech, free shipping, $7 for the cree leds, $2 for a pack of 5 optics, $4 for the driver, $3 for the cable, switch, and wires, maybe another $6 for a blinkie that's hacked up (that was actually free throwaway I found), plus miscellaneous (like silicone....). As for your doubt, you can do the shopping yourself online on fasttech or dx.com, you realized that experienced diyers don't question my estimate because they already know how much it cost (they can easily say BS if I'm wrong), whereas you, well, what I can say.
Resisters are sold in 10-20 package for a $1.
So we get you to admit that at least one of those 'miscellaneous costs wasn't included in your price estimate. Given that you started at 50% of the $30 price of a commercial unit, it doesn't take too many of those oversights to prove my point that cost savings are unlikely when diy'ing a tail light.
As to fast tech, I have never ordered from them I have ordered from Futurelec before (another cheap over seas supplier). There were two issues; I always ordered at least 3 of any part I needed since those 'cheap' places had a tendency of shipping faulty parts, though that go better in recent years. And my last order from Futurelec took over 6 weeks for me to receive it.
FYI, I did my first DIY project in the late 60's. It was a home computer capable of performing sophisticated mathematical calculations. I was also from a poor family, so my parents ensured that I understood what the actual cost was for my projects, which was always more than the cost of just the actual parts in the final gadget...
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
1000 lumens require me to be riding at 25km/h and up. Dynamo lights can supply more than 10w.
10W was a fairly generous upper limit of the power available from a dyno hub on a bicycle. You (and the site you based your circuits on) clearly were not measuring power under load. Here is a typical power output curve for the SON series dynos (I would be surprised if any other brands were much better)
AS you can see the SON 28 maxes out at around 4W of power when measured
under load. In short about 60% less than your estimated available power and even that is more than the LED's in your inefficient circuit are actually receiving. You do realize that by inefficient I am explaining that your circuit is wasting a lot of the available power? In other words your LEDs are receiving a fair bit less than 4W ( I would guess somewhere between 2 and 3W).
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
I've ridden besides commercially available lights so I have visual clues for judgment.
Human perception of light levels are notoriously imprecise, so your judgment is likely simply wrong. Compound that with the fact that your taking a commercial products claims that it is producing 600 lumens at face value. As I have said, and that can easily be verified if you desire, those claims are made by marketing people using the same flawed approach you did by relying on light output curves from the device specification sheets.
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
No they don't need battery lights, a Supernova E3 triple can light up a bike path at 10mph, so can any light that pumps out 600 lumens at 10mph.
I have never actually seen a E3 in person. I doubt their and your claims for a couple of reasons. One, the power available from the hub (under load) is not as high as the led spec sheets would state as needed to provide that output. Two, their marketing is depending upon the flawed lumen output claim (which isn't measured) instead of the easier to measure lux ratings which would allow direct comparison with other dyno lights. Three, I have never found any independent measurement of the power output from the E3 when supplied by a dyno...
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
Once again, I've ridden besides commercially available lights so I have the necessary real life comparisons. And please, I'm not going to go out and buy a light meter to satisfy your ego when I know my light outshines my magicshine, and magicshine outshines the Luxos, Edelux. I've ridden besides an edelux at speed and I know how bright it is, I've yet to ride besides a Luxos but if the visual account from people who have 700 lumen lights are true, then my experience speaks for itself (you can disagree all you want, I don't care).
Yes, and real life comparisons of light level by humans is fatally flawed. (You do realize that your iris adjusts the ammount of light you perceive continuously?) It isn't my ego you would satisfy. I don't care what you claim you are getting, I know you are mistaken. If you actually are diy'ing to learn something the light meter is essential for you to understand what works better and what doesn't. Your perception is never going to do that.
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
Everything on this light is a diy, the person didn't do anything machining, just soldering. I can build the same headlight by buying all the parts, (it cost around a $100 or less (including shipping) depending on the configuration you want, and it beats anything $100 on the market (other than chinese lights and flashlights). That light is 2 times smaller than your Luxos and 2 times brighter (depending on drivers), power by 3 cree xp-g,
A kit of parts made by someone else is not diy... Further, I suspect that the brighter claim is as false as I have demonstrated your claim is about your diy light.
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
you made a point about overheating, but you can buy drivers with thermal dimming protection.
Yes and that is another factor that REDUCES the light output below the curve you like to make your claims from...
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
As for your preference to German law lights, German laws suck so I like my dynamo lights brighter than what's offered commercially (with a beam that's wider and throw farther).
You clearly don't understand those German laws. They place no limit on the power output from the light, physics does that. They specifiy a minimum illumination required (which was achievable by old fashioned halogen light bulbs) and the shape of the light. Any LED light will EXCEED the mimimum light output required by the German laws. The aspect of the laws I like is that it requires that the output from the light be shaped properly to avoid wasting much of the output as your diy and nearly all commercial battery lights do. And as I have explained, the physics is clear, none of your diy lights are brighter than any commercial light that uses the same emitter. Indeed it is likely the commercial product would be brighter since it would likely be using a more efficient electrical design that can deliver more of the dyno power to the actual emitter.
As to throw further, since your light is not producing the output you claim it is not possible that it is producing a further throw (which is dictate by light output) than any other commercial product with the same power input...
Originally Posted by
mrbubbles
I built my latest dynamo setup for 60km/h+ downhills mountain road rides (and it might rain) so I want all the lights I can reasonably get.
You clearly don't understand the basics if you believe you are getting significantly more power at 60 km/h than you do at 25 km/hr. Take a look at the graph above. Under load, the generator output power curve flattens out at just under 4W. You simply aren't getting the output power you believe you are. Measuring open circuit voltages and currents do not produce anything close to actual power output under load you and your source believe they do. And frankly I doubt from your posts that you have even performed those incredibly simple measurements and are instead relying on incorrect information provided by someone who doesn't appear to understand the issues any more than you do; ie, martin (pilom)
If you want the most light you can possibly get, load a couple of pounds (or more) of battery packs on your bike and use a battery set-up. It can supply far more power to the light than any dyno you will ever have on a bike.