This isn't about how fast to ride; this isn't about fitness; this isnt about pretense...what this is about is a different idea about what a Saturday morning group ride should be. This idea says it isn't about speed (slower is more comfortable), it isn't about a pre planned route where we cover x amount of miles. It is about enjoying a group ride, at a slower pace, mileage not known but stops for coffee, beer and/or ice cream are pretty certain. I go out with a couple of friends like that and average about 12 mph when we can be bothered to check a 'puter. That's a lot faster than walking but slower than any other club ride around.