hey bike0... thanks for the feeed back, I was not aware that buds are bad in general for your health (hearing), I am glad though that somebody else also hears that noise and I am not totally a feak- misery loves company. In Los Angeles, almost everybody on the bike path at the beach who is skating or biking or joging has buds so I would like to figure out a great solution for it, glad that at least it is a "real thing"