For whatever reason this is a Specialized/Cannondale oriented forum. They are both highly regarded, but I swear I think 'dales are worshipped like Biblical idols. Trek and Giant ought to be just as prominently featured, but they get no play here. At least Giant is just ignored. Trek is actively ridiculed as in the many "asplode" references. You can't mention a Trek without someone suggesting it is in imminent peril of disintegrating.