Some previous posts pointed out that Specialized is a relatively new company, I think that's spot on as they were not around in a big way in the 70's. As for the "outsourcing" thing, I doubt that has anything to do with their not being big in C&V. If we took that to heart we'd have to stop collecting most late model Schwinns, ALL Centurions, most 80's Raleighs, all entry level Nishikis, you can add others to the list. Also, just because they outsourced doesn't mean they didn't design. In fact Specialized was and always has been a leader in MTB design. Move into the 90's and Specialized also designed some of their road bikes. From the pics here, I would expect Specialized to become part of the next wave of C&V bikes. Vintage Stumpjumpers already command more than double the amount some of their counterparts do. It took me around 5 years to find an older Stumpy for $100 or less, and even then I had to settle for an aluminum frame. Like'em or hate'em Specialized is about to become a player in the C&V world.