Originally Posted by Campag4life 
In bold. Isn't just about speed. None of us are pro riders. Its about energy expenditure, even if a slow rider. Take a rider who will struggle to finish a hilly century who averages 15mph. They will fare a lot better on any late model carbon bike than a Riv.
That's ironic...I'm not the chest thumping meathead here.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
No. 1.
I'm thinking there's a steel frame bike swimming around in this avatar:
