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Old 09-29-13 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by adrien
Hmmm.

Finished a hilly century on a lugged steel frame averaging 18.4. And I'm a clyde. Felt great. Bike is about 20 pounds.

I've ridden lots of carbon, including some high-end (S-works Roubaix and tarmac, plus a couple of Madones). Carbon feels clinical and kind of dead to me.

Oh, and I'm old-fashioned. The more modern, massive-head-tube and teeny-seat-stay bikes look very strange to me, almost like when the enterprise stretches into warp.
There's a lot more to a frame than its material. You can easily swap situations by tweaking geometry on either bike. Granted, each material has its "feel". Every variance in these materials have their "feel"
I'm glad that people are willing to keep the steel market rolling. Personally, having designed & built my own frame, I can't see spending a ton of money on a new steel frame when there are so many great used frames out there. The best that you can get from a steel frame is to have it built exactly for you. Even then, it'll likely be just a slight tweak in tubing length. Nothing that can't be obtained with a slightly different stem or saddle height adjustment. I spent no more than $500 building my frame. That included building the jig. Even with that money, an SLX steel frame from the 80's is in range. Between the late 80's & the early 90's, some of the best steel frames were produced. I love my frame & I can't put a value on all that I learned in the process. However, one thing that I did learn is that trying to perfect something that has been perfected is somewhat of a waste of time, when you can just go out, buy & enjoy it.
Im not going to lie & say I haven't been a guy who wants to ride something that has a cool name on it. I'm that guy! & I've paid the price to be that guy, at times. What that has left me with is the knowledge that most of the crap that people buy is hyped up, over inflated truths. If you want a great bicycle, you don't need to spend $4000. Get the geometry to fit what you want from a bike & a nice wheelset. Build it up with some solid parts & ride.
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