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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
A few thoughts right away:
- Your TT bike allows you to use your glutes. Your road bike doesn't. What is different? Don't be afraid to experiment with your position - just keep the saddle->BB height constant. As an example look at Jens Voigt. He is extremely forward on his bike. If he slid back the 5-6 cm that would put him in a normal position I bet he wouldn't have his very nice flat/aero/low back. Another rider that had a similar fit, Alexi Grewal. Another, Davis Phinney as an amateur (he slid his saddle back once he started doing 5-7 hour races regularly). I'll caution you that moving the saddle too far forward actually loses power, as I've found experimenting over the years.
- I bet that if you slid your saddle forward a bit you'd be able to really lower the front of the bike, i.e. stem, spacers. I bet your position would be closer to your TT bike. I bet you won't have any issues with your back etc, at least not any more than you have now. For me I have a bad back. I have to be careful when I walk on uneven ground - I virtually collapsed last year walking on an untended field for a couple hours (car/air show). It was so bad we had to leave. I'm not flexible - I have a hard time touching my toes, I can't do anything near a split, etc etc. However my position looks pretty aggressive. It's the forward position that allows me to do that. Slide my saddle back and I lose tons of speed, cant' stay leaned over, etc.
- Another thing - it may be counterintuitive but being lower may be more comfortable. I went to a compact bar this year - it shortened my reach 1 cm (after getting a 2 cm longer stem) and raised the drops 2 cm. I had some pretty bad back problems. I blamed it on picking up our now-18 month old son, on not doing core stuff, etc. I also lost tons of power in my sprint, and that encouraged me to get a deeper drop bar. Realistically it dropped me 1.5 cm as the drops are shaped weird. In two weeks suddenly no back problems. Heck, I can even bend over when I get dressed in the morning, instead of balancing on one foot while I pull on my pants with one hand (which is how I had to get dressed for about 4-5 months. I didn't do any core stuff recently, I didn't train tons, I just got a deeper drop bar.
Thanks; I'm going to start tweaking with my position. Right now, as I posted earlier my discomfort in the Aero is more from being off the bike for two years. My back is fine, I'm just stiff from inactivity the past two years.

Originally Posted by carpediemracing
Pace thing - if you want to control your own pace it means you're lacking peak speed. You need to learn that peak speed, it's something that comes with simply doing it. You need to rev the heart rate, the power meter. If you have a PM then consider that you may be hitting 800-1000w peak somewhat regularly, with sustained bursts that are 200-300% of your FTP (so for me, at 210-220w FTP, I'm holding 400-600w to hang onto wheels, to close a gap. When I jump out of a corner or even just accelerate from a stop sign I'm usually hitting 800-1200w peak. In races I typically hit 1200w peak, with 1000w low and 1450w high.

The thing is that I never see anyone say "Okay, you need to do 300% of your FTP for a minute". It's always 5%, 10%, yada yada yada. In reality it's absolutely murderous to try and hang in when it's flat out. It's NORMAL for a Cat 3 field to be humming along at 30 mph, and in many situations if it's going 38 mph on a flat road you'll be coasting and wondering why you're not going any faster. 38 mph in that case means ZERO watts, coasting, no fitness required, no training, no pedals. It's nothing. It may be fast to a non-racer but it's zero for a racer, a chance to talk, grab a drink, adjust your shoe, anything but pedaling hard. New racers have a hard time grasping that concept. They need to realize that 30 mph is not fast, that 35 mph is sort of fast, and that 40 mph, okay, now you're talking (I've never been in a field going 40+ mph on a flat road unless the field was collectively working really hard).

It may not be that your "group riding skills suck", it may be a power thing. Obviously it helps if you can draft etc, but once you're buried in the group then drafting a little closer won't matter much, it's only when it's single file or a tiny group that being close matters. I highly recommend practicing bumping. I also highly recommend practicing touching your front tire to another person's rear tire, a drill that you should do at under 8 mph on grass because you absolutely positively will fall (and I recommend falling a half dozen times first to get an idea of what your bike wants to do).
I think it is a power thing, or was...most of of my involvement riding in large groups was seven years ago; I'm a bit stronger now than I was then (even with the layoff).

Originally Posted by shovelhd
A lot of us race with asthma. Can it affect my performance? Of course, but I don't use it as an excuse. Just race as hard as you can.
To be fair, I'm not making excuses for performance. In the past I felt racing in a pack with asthma was endangering the other riders. CDR is probably right, my power is just as much an issue.

Originally Posted by Racer Ex
Of course if I knew my asthma would clear out after an hour I might ride an hour before I started racing.
I've tried it, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Pre race jitters contribute to the issue as well.
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