Originally Posted by mander

So, you're saying that less experienced riders go on MUPs and never shoulder check? While experienced riders on the road never shoulder check, but know you are there because they can hear you breathing or something? I'm not sure what your overall point is here. Do you really think that cyclists don't shoulder-check, or are you saying something else? When I'm riding in traffic I am constantly looking all around---do you think this is unusual?

I guess when you catch someone it's polite to say "on your wheel" since they might not notice you right away.

Are we arguing about anything???