Of course I expect to get a lot of posts giving me grief but here is a simple fact. I see posts like this all the time. Many people report how many saddles they go thru to find one that is the least uncomfortable. Yet in the discussions of DF vs recumbents, most DF riders claim that their saddles dont hurt. But the fact is recumbent bikes for the most part just dont have that problem at all. Bottom line---------on tours or very long rides, ride a bent.