Originally Posted by iTripped

I don't care much about winning, but with black ice, there is nothing for the stud to 'bite into'. it's just a frozen layer of wetness that is super slippy. On normal ice (like riding on a frozen lake) studs make sense to me - the metal is harder than the ice, so it is able to deform the ice surface and get grip despite the slipperiness. This is why I was asking about how they perform on black ice, as I suspect that conditions would still be slippery even with the studs.