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Old 10-14-13 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
I completely failed to include a key point in my earlier post. Of the 90 shots fired by Geman police in 2011, 45 were warning shots. Professionally trained law enforcement personnel firing warning shots. That is my point. The American 'experts' insist that their way is the correct way. Maybe, but it isn't the only way. I have to observe that there were no credible witnesses to the George Zimmerman shooting. He killed his assailant. He is out of jail but he is behind a mountain of debt. Like a couple of million dollars worth of defense attorney expenses. Handguns make a person bold enough to stay and confront trouble. Often handguns cannot be used because their power to kill innocents along with evildoers make them the wrong weapon for the circumstance. Isn't it clear that if for the 200 years that we have been developing firearms in this country, if like R&D had been put into a parallel non-lethal technology that one could use to stop hostiles with minimal harm to innocents in the line of fire that this would be a good thing? A third of the population either has guns in their home or has them concealed on their person in public. Nevertheless when **** happens, it happens. Usually with little or no response from the gun carrying public. Tell the truth, 90% of the time when someone shoots someone, 99% of the time when the shooter is a LEO, the shootee is either unarmed or armed with far less lethal potential than the shooter. That's where guns excel. When the shooter has the control of the situation already. Under those circumstances I wonder why said shooter shouldn't face the full force of the law and be made to give a full account of their actions in a legal proceeding.

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Ah. Well I'd have to be immersed into enough situations to have an informed opinion to be honest. And on the Zimmerman thing there were no witnesses and enough blatant lies told by all involved that it is impossible to say what really happened. There isn't enough evidence to point to anything so for anybody to say this person or that person is guilty shows which side of the generic argument that one forces themselves to be on.

As far as facing the full force of the law when they know they are in the right it quite simply just doesn't turn out that way. We know that the same situation could have different outcomes depending on the political stance of the judge, the ferocity of the lawyers, etc.

Either way I carry about 10% of the time on my person and near 100% of the time in my vehicle. I hope to never use them but if needed I will do what I have to do. And what that is depends on the situation.

I'm going to bail out of this conversation now as I feel we have strayed away from anything bicycle related. I'm always up for a good calm discussion like we have been having but I want to keep the forum focused on the bikes.
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