Thanks everyone for the input! BTW, I am a TdF level rider! LOL I've actually decided to go with a 2014 Trek 8.5 DS. I'm getting 10% off plus $100 store credit. Pretty good deal. The few extra bucks are worth the better components, and the 8.5 is a little lighter than the 8.4. Looking forward to getting back on a bike after three months dealing with my broken leg!