Originally Posted by
cyccommute
Yes, you could have been clearer.
Still getting it wrong. If all things are equal, steel is inherently stiffer than titanium. That's the properties of the materials. While the frame stiffness may come from how the builder uses the materials and from the constrains put on the frame builder by the diameters of the available tubeset, if the dimension are the same a steel frame will be stiffer than a titanium frame. The only reason that steel has the (supposed) magic ride is because the tubeset has such a small diameter. That allows the frame to be more noodly than you could get away with if you were using titanium or aluminum.
All of which I stated previously, so I'm not seeing a point (other than linguistics/contrarianism). My post's content was quite clear, and in no way diverges from your argument over wording.
SO - for the third time - it is what the builder does with the material and what tubing he uses. There have been aluminum and ti frames with classic steel tubing diameters - and they were flexy as hell. We are fortunate to live in a period where builders have access to a LOT of tubing diameters in various widths and materials from various sources. Yes, a steel frame will be stiffer than a ti frame of the same width, which was stated above.
Originally Posted by
ninevictor
My builder is Zealot Bikes out of Corona, CA. They're a small operation and I can't speak to the volume of frames he's built but after extensive conversation (and several rides) with Jeremiah I felt sufficiently comfortable with everything to place an order.
I've put over 1000 miles on the bike (since July 2013) they built for me and I have no complaints. I have also been impressed with the amount of post-delivery followup contact they've initiated. I can tell they're genuinely interested in my satisfaction with the bike and that means a lot to me as a customer.
That's a new one to me - photo please
