Exactly! After reading through all this carbon crap and speed vs weight blah blah blah in the commuting thread has made me laugh several times. For what it's worth I commute EVERY weekday 40 miles round trip on sub 1K bikes. They are heavy, strong, reliable and soak up vibration and bumps with big fat tires. I have ridden century rides on said bikes. In fact I am doing a 100+ mile ride tomorrow on my $900, 40 pound commuter. Light and fast has it's place but it's not in the commuting part of this forum.