Originally Posted by
waters60
" 45-60 minutes of labor " ? Seems like a lot of time. I've been riding tubulars for 30 + years and have never spent more than 20 minutes gluing a tire. Never rolled a tire or come close, even in the days when I just glued the rim. Lots of steep technical descents included. I take off the old tire, put on the unglued new one, pump it up to see if it is OK, take it off, stretch it a little by hand, glue tire and rim, wait a few minutes for them to get tacky, put tire on rim, inflate to moderate pressure and am good to go, waiting till the next morning to ride. Too much mystery about tubulars scares people away. It is not too difficult and the benefits of replacing a tubular on the road speak for themselves.
I'm saying that $60 is equal to 45-60 minutes of labor, based on labor rates I've seen ($60-80/hour). That's what I'd want to give myself to deal with gluing on a tire (which implies removing a tire as well).
It's one thing to glue a tire for yourself. It's another to glue a tire for a totally unknown entity. You have no idea what they'll do with that wheel/tire, you have no idea if they're going to lend the wheel to someone else, if they drag their brakes on 30 minute descents, etc. A shop owner is on the hook at some level for everything that goes out the door. It's a case of covering my butt.
As I point out later I would charge an appropriate amount for anyone willing to bite and have me or my shop glue a tire.
Having seen the absolutely horrific glue/tape jobs I've seen (there was
a slew of rolled tires around here), chain installs (multiple broken chains every year at my spring series of races due to improper chain installation), clincher tire installs (typically a few blow outs each spring and even during the summer, due to improperly mounted clinchers), I think that knowing how to glue well is a good thing and a shop that glues well should charge appropriately.
For me it can take as long to remove a tire than to glue it, at least if I'm interested in not destroying the tire I'm removing. I've used tin snips to cut tires in half to make it easier to remove, although I have more time and patience nowadays. It takes a lot of effort to get the removal process going. Once I have about a quarter of the tire off it's quick but the first few inches is a pain, especially with carbon/fragile rims.
http://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.co...g-tubular.html
The problem with glue jobs is that they only fail in extreme situations. In 99.9% of anyone's normal riding even an improperly mounted tubular will usually be okay. It's the emergency maneuver to avoid getting plastered by an out of control truck, the last corner of the race, that's when the glue job really gets tested. From that "rolling tubulars" link above here's a picture of a bike that made it through every lap of a crit fine. The rider rolled his rear tire in the last corner on his own, and it wasn't even a hard turn, more of a bend.
He took down a lot of other riders. I think at least one guy ended up in an ambulance, maybe two. All of this was totally unnecessary.
In another race, one I was in, a guy rolls a tire also. An experienced rider, probably got careless. Not even a hard turn. First, at 4:20-ish, a rider who just went off the front for a full lap, his clincher tire unseats, blows out, probably cause was that his tube was slightly pinched by the tire bead (installation error). He takes out a few guys including one that broke a bunch of stuff (he was back on the bike about 2 months later) and another that was totally knocked out (concussion, affecting the rider a few months later). At 9:20-ish the guy rolls a tubular tire. Luckily he and the guy he took out sustained only minor injuries. Two incidents in about an hour caused by improper tire installation.