Originally Posted by phoebeisis

Implying car drivers are "evildoers" and non drivers are "superior" is childish.

Originally Posted by djwid

Sounds like guilt speaking to me Pheobeisis. I know it sucks to think that you might be a member of a group of people abusing the world for a cost less than the damage you do but it doesn't obviate the fact that it is true.

Originally Posted by Slowhead

Earlier this month I ran into a friend downtown. He was going to the YMCA a few blocks away. I got off my bike, walked over there with him and we had a nice talk. As we stood in front of the YMCA my friend told me to watch how much time people spend driving around in the parking lot, just to get a spot about 20 feet closer the building. The same building they are going to exercise at. I watched for a while to see if it was just a car or two. Nope, everyone did it.

That night on the TV news McDonalds announced they would be adding a 3rd drive thru window. It will improve productivity and employees will not have to deliver special orders outside.

Originally Posted by FenderTL5

I have made the same observation as your friend locally. I've even commented about those who circle the parking lot for 5 minutes looking for a front parking spot - only to go inside and spend 30+ minutes on a treadmill. Some of those could walk to/from the gym in the same amount of time spent driving to, parking, exercising, and returning.