it's amazing what a difference an R12 series makes for participation. If I had to ride a permanent every month, I wouldn't have ever completed an R12. I have heard first-hand or read of people that had to travel considerable distances to complete and R12, and it boggles my mind. People come fairly long distances to the excellent Eastern Pennsylvania R12 series run by Tom Rosenbauer. It's hard to imagine how hard it would be to do an R12 if I had to travel much further.