Yes, the web is a funny place these days. I may be blunt and direct (sorry zebede), but I try not say anything to anyone I wouldn't say in person.

To date, I find the most civil forum has been this one (folding bikes), but now and then, it gets out of hand, and this thread is almost heading that direction. If you want fun, you should look into the helmet thread under the safety forum. Good grief. Now, I enjoy a good debate as much as anyone, and nobody is above a little teasing, but when you start getting insulted... hey, time to put a lid on it people!