Both of those bikes are pedal forward styles. And both are "Dutch" styles with fenders and chain guards, etc. Drop a vertical line through the seat clamp and the crank center is well forward on both. the angles of the seat tube are similar. Pedal forward bikes feel very different from more conventional styles, and are very popular with those who may be limited in movement by age or other infirmity. they are also comfortable to those who just like to have their feet flat on the ground when stopped. I actually have one, and while it is very relaxed to ride, it just feels very slow. It makes me feel very old. I never ride it.