Old 12-15-13 | 01:37 PM
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And to address the other end of the spectrum:


@ CB HI and any others who at least appear to be of the "all bike lanes and side-paths are bad" bent


Please explain to me why you would have a problem with bicycle specific infrastructure that was actually done at least half-way decent, specifically:
----- No DZBLs *
----- No TBLs-TRO-RTOLs *
----- No GBLs *
----- All Bike lanes at least half the width of the main travel lanes they are next too and no worse of pavement condition.
----- Bicycle road rights are preserved and it is clearly codified that use of bike specific infrastructure is voluntary and at the cyclists discretion.
----- Side-Paths have marked "cross-walk" type crossings with the same level of vulnerable user legal protection and ROW as pedestrian cross-walks traditionally enjoy with only at most a "Slow to about walking speed before entering crossing" signs (so cars have a chance to see you in time to yield to you, bikes can fly out into a cross-walk a lot faster then peds. do) giving bike path traffic ROW just like peds. in the cross-walk on all non-signal-light intersections and the same cross with the green light and/or walk sign ROW and legal protection as vulnerable users from turning heavy vehicle traffic that peds. traditionally enjoy at signal light intersections.

Yes, I do understand that legal protection is not the same as physical protection and you can still get hurt but at least if you do its clearly the car who hit you in the cross-walks fault not yours and where physical protection can't be guaranteed then at least legal protection should be and the more such legal protection is strictly enforced the more actual physical protection you will have by drivers fearing the consequences of doing so.


Under such conditions why on earth would you appose bicycle specific infrastructure? Under such conditions I would often gladly use it myself much less not be opposed to it.

The really hard line VCer view points like that "Eli Damon" guy has who even opposes roads having wide shoulder edges and cyclist riding on them at their own discretion and rather preaches that cyclist should always taking the lane always on every road regardless because its never safe to edge ride and its always safe to take the lane truly puzzles me and although I'm closer to your end then the strict "bike path ONLY" crowd you smell a little like they do sometimes.




* DZBL = Door Zone Bike Lane
* TBL-TRO-RTOL = Through Bike Lane To Right Of Right Turn Only Lane
* GBL = Gutter Bike Lane (very narrow, trashy, nasty bike lane)

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