Originally Posted by
Clawed
Both of those bikes are pedal forward styles. And both are "Dutch" styles with fenders and chain guards, etc. Drop a vertical line through the seat clamp and the crank center is well forward on both.
you are mistaken as to the meaning of
crank forward
crank forward designs have a the bottom bracket ahead of where the seat tube meets the chainstays and down tube
not just forward of the seat clamp
very very few bikes do not have the bottom bracket forward of the seat clamp
i actually cant think of any off the top of my head
the black bike has what is called a
slack or
shallow seat angle
but this does not make it a
crank forward bike
also
dutch bikes
are generally traditional geometry
and are not
crank forward style