Originally Posted by
noglider
cyccommute, it appears that you really have it in for people who like dyno lights. Or you enjoy telling people they're wrong. Or something.
I'm just responding to people who tell me that battery lights are stupid. You, and anyone else who want to use generator lights, can do so to your hearts content. Let's not forget that the original post by halycon100 was about
battery lights, one of which he already has. He wasn't asking about generator lights or even considering them. Every single light question on the forums eventually gets drug into the "generators are better" argument no matter what the original question was.
I'll admit that generators have
some advantages but they also have many disadvantages that have been enumerated elsewhere. Batteries have disadvantages as well but they also have many advantages.
Originally Posted by
noglider
I also have eight or so bikes. I'm not putting dyno lights on all of them. I AGREE that it would be dumb. Just because it doesn't make sense to put them on eight bikes doesn't mean it's a bad idea to put on one or two bikes. Not all bikes deserve the same treatment, at least among my bikes.
You are missing my point. If I want to ride any one of my 8 bikes at night in any season, I can do so by simply moving the lamps to the bike I want to ride. I don't
need a new wheel for each bike, I just need to move the lights. I can...and do... use the same light for mountain bikes, road bikes, on-road, off-road, fast, slow or whatever I want to do. I can even loan my lights to someone. I've done that for my teammates at a 24 hr race. I couldn't do any of that with a generator light. That's a huge advantage for my uses. That seems to be an advantage for many other people considering that battery lights have a much larger share of the market than do generator lights.
Let's also not forget that generator lights were abysmal until the last 5 to 10 years. If, like me, you had to try to use the generator lights prior to that you'd probably have a different opinion about them. I went to batteries long ago because generators had way too many problems like blown bulbs unless you kept your speed down, low output and very poor light quality. Even a Cateye HL500 that had been TurboCatted had better light and it was horrible. A single one put out about the same light as the best generator light of the time. But I could run 3, 4 or 5 of them and get enough light to see by.
Originally Posted by
noglider
What does this even mean? What are you trying to say? My observation is that all current model headlights made for dynamos have these refined optics. Don't even ask me why, but they do. Virtually none of the battery lights have this feature. Again, don't ask me why. I can guess, but I won't. Yes, it's possible for a dyno head light to have bad optics, but that is not the case, so your hypothetical argument does not show that dyno lights are a bad idea.
A quick Google of "bicycle generator lights" gives lots of examples of less than stellar optics. One is based on the Planet Bike Blaze which doesn't have special optics of any kind. There are some battery powered lights that have the optics that you seem to want.
But just because the optics are different doesn't mean that they are bad. For off-road riding, I don't want a light like some of the generator lights. You need a different type of illumination for trail riding. Even on-road, the conical lights aren't as bad as some would have you to believe. I can see where my light is going and 50% (or 75% or 90% or whatever other outrageous claim is made) is "spraying off into space". Nor is it "blinding" drivers who are coming at me. The claims made by many are nothing more than hyperbole.
Originally Posted by
noglider
It's also possible to power a light with crude optics with a dyno. I have no idea why you would do that. Basically, it's possible to do a lot of dumb things, but what argument does that help? Thank goodness not all bad ideas you come up with will be attempted, right?
Your "refined" optics for generator lights are a relatively recent development. Not too long ago (less than 15 years), the Union headlamp was
the light to use for generators. It was a simple round parabolic reflector that was as sophisticated as 1965 Chevrolet Impala headlamp. Heck, even car lights from 10 to 15 years ago were basically the same. Just because lights are different now doesn't mean that they have always been that way.