Thanks for all the information.. The sizing from brand to brand and even within brands seems to vary quite abit. I usually wear 2X in some older Castelli shorts and recently got a pair of their Presto Due shorts in 2X. They are on the small side. The waist is fine but the legs are very tight and a bit shorter then I like. The P.I. Elite line looks good. I guess it's a case of trial and error until I find the right fit. Cycling clothing can be a challenge.