Originally Posted by acidfast7

I'd love to see some of the people in this forum spend a weekend in the Netherlands, Sweden or CPH as see what they say.

1. Everyone rides in regular clothes.
2. Everyone has everything built into their bike, so they don't waste time maintaining stuff and/or can't ride because a light was left up in the flat
3. Wow, when one can walk to work it's really nice.
4. Holy crap, there's free air and tools at unmanned bike service stations.

I think the discussion of the helmet with 1000 Lumens is where this thread enters the absurd or jumps the shark, so to speak ... that poster probably thinks that bigger is better in an auto collision