Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina

I'm sorry, opinions are not facts despite what you may have heard at FOX.

The facts regarding both materials are verifiable and repeatable. There is ample peer reviewed material. Videos of stuff breaking or people offering opinions are not facts.

Videos of cars driving over stuff are not facts unless that is what you want to do with your bicycle

But, if you did want to drive over a frame with your car, you could design a carbon tube in such a way as to resist those forces that would be lighter, stiffer, stronger and with a longer fatigue life than any other frame material in use today.

And you're right about two things; you will never sway my opinion with junk like that and I will never sway your opinion no matter how many facts I present.