Originally Posted by John Forester

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The result of your chosen style of advocacy is that you support the American legal and social discrimination against cyclists who obey the rules of the road and you also support childish and incompetent cycling, regardless of your own personal beliefs and, I must presume, behavior. That's the result of your choice of allies. To carry on your beliefs, the least that you ought to be doing is to work just as hard to repeal the American legal discrimination against cyclists as drivers of vehicles and to counter the American social discrimination against those cyclists.

Originally Posted by John Forester

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The only point you can make is that the general public believes the two assumptions that motordom has propagated for eighty years by fear-creating propaganda, so that employed traffic engineers obey their employers in carrying out motordom's program. That's not a very satisfactory situation.