Originally Posted by
kickstart
That is an incorrect assumption on your part, I'm only saying its better to make choices that reflect how things actually are, rather than how we think they should be.
I agree that nobodies safety should be sacrificed for the convenience of others.
I'm in favor of everybody being able to use the road safely, without harassment, and with empathy for others
kickstart started this with: "The Rules and laws are obviously based on and favor the typical user, not the atypical user. Those of us who choose to use vehicles that have limitations need to either come to terms with that, or waste a lot of energy being angry about it."
All vehicles have limitations. Some of these limitations affect how the vehicle is allowed to be used in traffic. Some vehicles are so heavy that they are not allowed to use certain facilities, particularly some bridges. Other vehicles cannot lawfully carry a family of four persons. Presumably, in this discussion, you are thinking of the limitations imposed by bicycles. Just what limitations do you believe justify having cyclists endangered and inconvenienced by being limited to the edge of the roadway or off it entirely onto a path?
I am happy to read that you did not mean what you wrote, that you are now "in favor of everybody being able to use the road safely, without harassment, and with empathy for others." The best route to the first step toward that goal is working to repeal the FTR laws that turn cyclists into second-class roadway users subservient to motorists.