Some people dont care how the leg extension is ..

and the flat foot stop is more important..

The bike Biz has made frames with very laid back seat angles for them.

Trek 'Pure' is one .. seat separated rearward lets the leg extend..
but distance to the ground is lower.

my preference has changed over the years .. last bike buy I have Trekking bars , a bit higher than the saddle ..


my roadie bike and drop bar touring bike the bar tops and saddle are close to the same..




FWIW, heel of my foot on the pedal, leg is straight, so ball of the foot on the pedal, the knee is bent a bit.