Originally Posted by Leisesturm

Actually I find this thread rather sad. The other one that was linked was just as depressing. So much ignorance. So much fear. If anyone knows of a way to get brand name testosterone supplementation without a doctors presciprtion they should tell us about it. The warnings to the o.p. to get a doctors o.k. are just so alarmist. He isn't getting anywhere past Go without a script. Cant hug your kids? Do you hug them naked? Can't get any near the wife? Not only do I get it near her she occasionally asks me to light her up and I assure you that that is a whole lot more than the minute trace amounts that might possibly remain on your hands hours after applying the stuff. After five or six years of near daily use my nuts are the same size they have always been.

Long term use of T will likely mean addition of an estrogen blocker. The poster who is using estrogen blocker alone to boost T is going to find that in a year or so his estrogen is going to bottom out. He is going to feel just as crappy or worse than someone whose T has bottomed out. The suicide rate of 30 to 60 year olds has doubled in 10 years. The ones knocking themselves off are the ones like you guys in this thread. Your losing your jobs, your wives, your homes and everything else important because you lost your drive. It's not your fault, every man, woman and child in America and elsewhere is smothered in industrial zeno-estrogens, meat and poultry is laced with estrogen. Every man walking has testosterone levels that are half of what his father had at his age.

It's not deadly. Not right away. But go ahead, it absolutely is your right to shrug off the concerns of your doctor, or wife... mistress, and pooh pooh testosterone supplementation. Just don't do it in my hearing. I will corect you. FWIW I don't use Androgel or Testim or any other brand name gel. I use compounded bio-identical testosterone cream. The doctors visits cost more than the cream, and I don't have insurance covering it. I use 1/4 of an estrogen blocker tablet 2x/wk. Viagra is $30 a tablet if you don't have insurance, but does nothing for your stamina, cardiovascular recovery, muscle size and/or tone. Mental clarity, bone density, etc. There is nothing natural or normal about the world we live in. The testosterone levels we over 50 men are living with are nothing like what men lived with before. That argument about not messing with your natural hormone levels is just so much FAIL in this reality of hormone laden foods, and all the xeno-estrogens that are found in household products and plastics. FWIW.

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