My riding buddy has been riding for years and has always done his own fitting. He could ride a 60-70 mile ride without any problems but would have some pain in his shoulder and some posterior, lateral right knee pain on the longer rides. I've been after him to go and get a pro fitting but he kept saying that he's always adjusted his own fit and didn't need one. His wife heard that I kept telling him about getting a fit done so his daughter gave him a gift certificate for a BG bike fitting for Christmas, which he finally got around to using on Friday. We rode 51 miles on Saturday and after the ride he said he was much more comfortable during the ride and that he felt like he just rode around the parking lot. He also said that after all the tweaking he did on his bike before the fitting, the saddle was too low and too far forward, the stem was too long and did not have the right angle and they moved the stem up two spacers. They also put a shim in his right shoe and adjusted his cleat position, which was the cause of his knee pain. I guess that after all those years of thinking that he had his adjustments just right, he found out just how far off he really was and how much more comfortable he was after a fitting by someone who knew more about it than he did.