Originally Posted by
Crescent Cycle
No, I'm saying being able to have a relaxed fit without resorting to extreme seatposts and stems is part of a relaxed frame geometry. You can't just declare a frame relaxed because it has a slack front end.
I just can't follow your reasoning on this. A relaxed geo frame is a relaxed geo frame irrespective of which components you put on it or how upright your position is on it. A relaxed fit on an aggressive frame is going to yield a different ride quality than a relaxed fit on a relaxed frame.
Relaxed fit is not the same as relaxed geometry, and I don't understand why you have difficulty with that concept.