I looked at those last year for the GF. When looking at the welds I became a believer in child labor, because only a 5 year old could have made welds with that many gaps. Not against a well priced bike, I own a beast, but some things just are not worth it. I have a friend who used to tour cross country that now rides a cranberry a few nights a week on the MUP, seems to be working fine for him.