Originally Posted by Weatherby

Name those readily available carbon frames from the 80's with complete builds under $2k. There were two carbon frames that I remember. I wouldn't describe them as readily available.

I had a Vitus Carbon 9 during that era in the 80's with full campy record, GL330's, clement criteria setas, and a Regina alu freewheel and that bike was right at 20lbs. It cost a lot more than 2 grand. In the early 90's, I had a Kestral with DA Sti and it went 17 lbs with titanium bits and pieces everywhere with tubulars and it cost close to $5k.

Ti affordable before 1990? I don't think Litespeed was remotely widely available until mid 1990, not before 1990. There were very, very few titanium frames prior to 1990.

A Columbus SL/SP framed Campy Nuovo Record equipped bike was 22-23 pounds depending on the size and wheels. A decked out boron Klein was one of the lightest bike I ever saw in the mid 80's and it was just 20 lbs. My circa 1973 Masi weighs about 23 lbs.

So, I remember when 23 lbs was light.